You ARE welcome! How petty! . I know that the APA manual still says 2 spaces because it’s correct. __And we’re ignoring it because it’s baloney. Let me give you some examples. I’m almost positive that in both cases, the spacing is being held onto for the sake of tradition, and because someone with a lot of, ahem, seniority just thinks one space looks wrong. I cant’ seem to figure out how to make it all stay on the right in WORD. The story has movement over 2 countries and several locations in each. It is just a tough habit to break, as you can see within this comment. I have a question – sometimes you get sketches or small drawings in the body of a novel. I agree with you and disagree with the writer of this article. (See image on the right.). But one rule from typing class has definitely expired, and if you’re over 40, it’s possible that no one has given you the message. Also, the fact that at half the jobs they would insist on one space while at others they would insist on two spaces does imply it’s a matter of personal choice to them, but I actually wouldn’t expect they made a well-informed decision on either one of them. I teach Office 2016 at a local college. Word processors and computers and everything that is not a very old typewriter use mostly proportionally spaced fonts, which adjust spacing to the size of the letter. I love ellipses and emphasizing with CAPS! i grew up with computers, from when floppy disks were floppy, they have been around as long as i have been asked to type anything. That is apparently a relatively common thing for both native French speakers and people who learned English in India. Be sure to tailor your submission to meet their preferences. [CDATA[ google_ad_client = "ca-pub-5663409941278124"; google_ad_slot = "6566988694"; google_ad_width = 468; google_ad_height = 60; // ]]> Is it like chapters where you begin one-third of the way down, or is it something else entirely? We know why the rule was adjusted but we don’t care. I have worked at three design studios so far. See, for example, “De aetna” by P. Bembo, published by Aldus Manutius, 1495. Believe me, there are many, many, MANY more important things going on in this world. Once in a while I use etc. My semester of typing remains one of the most valuable classes I ever took in high school — I can still dazzle small children with my ability to make words appear on a screen by just hysterically wiggling my fingers on the keyboard. You will see typography is a lot less restricted, particularly in the early type printing days where the Venetian typefaces were briefly used. Can you identify an error in it? Help???). Only because I’m a bit of a geek do I even know about this change. And regardless of historical use, the fact is that most of us consider the handling of double spaces to be aesthetically displeasing and unprofessional. #ThereTheirThey’re. The basic purpose of all spelling, punctuation and typographic rules is to promote clarity of communication by avoiding confusion and ambiguity. Yes, and this still talks about an extra half space and not a double space. That looks okay too. That’s true. was revised to clarify that spacing twice at the end of a sentence is optional, and that option is intended to apply only to draft manuscripts (p. 88). Aha. Are you on Facebook? The real question here is why you’re using periods after abbreviations… . Perhaps more than anything I’m hoping that you or one of your teacher colleagues will reassure me that someone still values our language. It is very easy. By the way, I see us as kindred spirits. . Dax, [Actually, that is NOT all! The transition from Underwood, to IBM selectric, to Vax to PC has many strange rituals in its wake. As someone who appreciates practicality, ease of intaking information (the most basic purpose of reading) is more important to me than the percieved aesthetics (which change from person to person anyway). In the By: Combo box beside it, enter 0.5″ if necessary. Should I end the paragraph, insert the asterisks, and then begin the next paragraph with no space? Moreover, even with ‘proportional’ fonts, I still find that two spaces makes it easier to distinguish a new sentence…especially when looking at very tiny text on a smart phone, for instance. During the Baroque there was quite a lot of typographic experimentation. I am a Boomer too. That of course looks odd. Also, it seems weird to me that the first paragraph in a chapter is not indented. Yes, if you look at periods like these, it’s easy to argue double spaces were used all along. Thank you for getting the word out (and addressing my pet peeve). If it’s a matter of choosing between one or two spaces such as is the case with the restrictions we experience with typography on the web, then go for the single space because the distinction between two sentences is made by use of a capital letter, a period AND a space. Uno. The authority would be real-world typesetting guides, especially those that pre-date the typewriter. The irritation for me is that there is an increased sense of awareness at the end of a sentence when a double space has been utilized. In all that time (and note that I am well past 40) I have never encountered any “rule” suggesting double-spacing after end punctuation. Your word document would be named ‘PSME1w’ to stand for ‘Public School Math – Elementary School Level part one’ for example. I have been telling all my over 40 friends this, too. Also, three exclamation marks are not allowed. Oh, dear. The manuscript submission guidelines have to do with making the job of the readers and editors on up the line easier because we had and they have an incredible amount of reading to do and, if the author doesn’t wish to help out in the process, so be it. My thumb bounces twice on the space bar without any input from my brain. As I mentioned technological advances allowed for more typographic experimentation and expression. By the way, I have authored four novels and four nonfiction books. Whatever (now there’s a current accepted usage that you should vent your Usage and Style rage on). What about between the state and the zip code in an address? I am not here to argue typography. Also known as: WALL OF TEXT DID NOT READ It takes a long time to unlearn that. Haha, that might not be the evidence. Huh. all of them computerized. What I was eternally grateful for though, was the decline of shorthand classes at that exact time! And now that I’m finally in grad school, I DESPISE AND LOATHE Turabian. So how can any one suggest a modification of spacing on a line of copy is just plain wrong? I truly do wake up in a different world every day. So, while there’s been a push from one space to two, it’s not because of mono space typewriters and the switch to computers. I’m at a loss as to what to do with my completed manuscript that’s otherwise properly formatted. It just just one, constant flow of uninterrupted text. spacing and replace them with single spaces. I find it interesting that people use terms like “dug in their heels” or “bound to tradition” for those that still use two spaces at the end of their sentences. Does it really matter in the big picture? I’ve actually seen that a lot. It doesn’t hurt anyone. You could have used as many spaces as you cared to, websites will only display one, though. What matters now is not how big, high, large or wide but how aesthetic, precise, among others. There are a lot of holdovers from earlier eras of language, because language is an organic, additive process. Also, the use of “OR” is not logical. THis is a solution without a problem. When I receive text files from clients and notice “odd” spacing, I run find/replace to look for double (and often triple!!!) I think of a paragraph having multiple sentences, so how can you have double spacing for lines yet one spacing for sentences? I read that I should use three asterisks, centered from the left. A major lapse of time is indicated by the hash mark or asterisks. However, I do find the larger space between sentences to be slightly more important than the space between words, even though there IS an ending punctuation mark. Please ignore this ‘new rule’ and do what makes sense to you. My job was to find publishable manuscripts. I almost deleted your comment, but I decided to keep it to remind myself not to be a pompous c**t in the future, and to show people reading this how strongly some readers have reacted to the post. The text for this novel starts here. A comma should go after “I’m almost positive that.” But I don’t care. I know what we are “supposed” to type now, but I don’t like to see it, so I will not use it. Having worked in printing and the graphic arts since the early 1970s, I can assure you this is not a “new” rule. to put two spaces after a period, and only in the last couple of years have I unlearned that rule. Have you ever heard of the en-dash and em-dash? THIS IS THE BEST!! Sometimes I have to cover my ears just to process a thought. People seem to have an innate talent for mangling language. I totally agree with you. It may add clarity, but I would argue it adds clarity unnecessarily and it goes at the expense of the reading experience. Anyone who would judge you based on something that petty is not worth working for. Despite your claims to the contrary, the standard was to have a larger space between sentences than between words. In my opinion, white space matters nearly as much as the printed word. All space needs to be filled with something. I went back to college at the old age of 45, rules of English, APA flatting were still two spaces. And yet, they do make decisions about things they don’t actually see. You are dismissive of the rationales behind clearer division, but you have not provided cogent counter-reasoning. The fact that there are many more important things going on in the world is absolutely besides the point. You may not. That shows commitment and professionalism. Hi Russell! In fact, even something subtle such as letter combinations like AV, Ve, Vo and Wo not kerned correctly (that is to say, where one doesn’t compensate for the extra space in between these letter combinations) disrupts the reading experience, so I absolutely don’t see how the use of a double space doesn’t. But isn’t this confusing, if only for a moment? After giving to some trusted readers, they gave feedback that the parts were too long and so I’ve begun breaking them into chapters. LOL). I feel the discussion could actually end there. Typographers as a group have no particular opinion on the issue. “There were earlier standards before the single-space standard, and they involved much wider spaces after sentences.” Single pixel periods are not the most visible graphic conceived. This article is being passed around our group today for further discussion. The single space argument is incorrect for all the reasons detailed here: Simply not true. Also a former graphic designer. Whatever the final ruling on spacing is, no one should be pressing the spacebar twice after a sentence. If you were in England, I think you made $ by combining S and /.). You may decide to format your manuscript when you start — or you may choose to do it once you finish. At one point is it enough? I never knew that. Two spaces is what they taught me in elementary school and it just stuck ever since. The screeching gets fiercer when they realize that many people aren’t paying attention and continue to do things the way they always have. Perhaps two spaces will eventually just disappear, but since it still seems to be a discussion educating them on the topic might bring about some interesting conversation! i learned to Type playing online video games. (But I do double space after the punctuation of a sentence.). Would you format different parts of a book the same as a new chapter? Of course I advocate for shorter sentences too. Actually, especially in the year you took your typing class, the IBM selectric had proporyionally spaced font balls. You won’t get me to stop doing anything by telling me that someone involved with “The Slate” has ordered me not to. Of course I haven’t looked at all Dutch literature and in fact I haven’t actively looked for double spaces in Dutch literature, but it just doesn’t seem to play a role in our business world. As an aside, I assume you are aware that there are, in fact, mono-spaced fonts in the computer world too. I’m only 26 and I still have a hard time breaking this habit. See: The move to single space was driven mostly by publishers who wanted cheaper publications. It’s actually common to all webpages, unless extra spaces are inserted using “ ” (non-breaking space). Amen!! Let’s say that you have the following two sentences: Even still, that wouldn’t explain the outrage and vehement arguing that goes on over double-spacing. Word underlines double word-spaces as errors because, yes, they are considered incorrect. The same could be said for “over 40″… Nothing says human being like being an obnoxious pr**k, I guess you could say. Have a good night! Here is my email and their response: WHY did you return to the typewriter way of doing things? I am just starting to write my first novel (after vigorous outlining and planning) and this article helped so much in actually starting it. Oh, the terrible amount of effort it takes to hit the space bar twice! Many thanks. I’m definitely not implying being a typographer is a very important job, but you’re completely undermining my profession and I protest the notion that what I do doesn’t matter. I’m glad you like the site — hope you come back! Do you know what is more irritating to me, that you would write such a blog that enables these kids that already don’t get taught well in school now, that this is ok! I have to wonder if, as technology advances, we will reintroduce the 1,5 space. Excuse me for inserting my opinion into this debate but being over 50% past the 40 threshold allows me the privilege. Can you explain why? And, yes, you used “anytime” correctly. I shall delightfully cast them as villains, now, and myself the pedantic, reluctant freedom fighter. HOWEVER, all this has been challenged. About five years later, I was taught MS Office programs and WordPerfect at a trade school. Spacing absolutely can create confusion and ambiguity, and it can also solve it. Sorry it upsets you so. We all have a vital part to play in the scheme of life. I stopped reading him after he hyperventilated about this a few years ago, and he added nothing that wasn’t already widely known. This means I experience subtle interruptions after every period, which is actually an extra strain and diminishes reading. To anyone who feels your post was ageist, i say “grow up!” There are far more important things to get bent out of shape over–such as the serial comma. And yes, I also rail at the misuse of to, too, and two; your and you’re; and their, there, and they’re. Once you set up your word processor, writing in manuscript format doesn’t take any extra effort. Words change with time but we do not necessarily discard previous meanings, we more likely simply add the new meaning to the list. Justifying creates uneven spacing between the words that makes it harder to read. I talk with typographers and type designers regularly and I think there are very few who would argue for double spaces, especially considering historically one and a half space was preferred and not a double space. Let’s not go changing rules of grammar to suit the advancing technology. If so, how to format. You want the reader to have a comfortable experience, after all. Do you really need more than that? (Reproduced in Douglas McMurtrie’s “The Book: The Story of Printing & Bookmaking,” Oxford University Press, 1943, p. This isn’t about that. No. Every sentence stands out as separate. Not completely, anyway. Everything you do which adds more variety to the spacing will diminish typography. At the very least, I’ve forced them to go into Word and add that extra space. Wrong. Actually, I am over 40 (57 to be exact) and I never heard of this rule. You seem to realize that the not-currently-an-option 1.5-ish width between sentences would be useful, but you have provided only vague preferences as to why the substitute should be one space, when there is much valid reasoning behind why two spaces is the most useful current replacement. Don’t justify your paragraphs. Many companies never learn, so they never see. It is a story the average editor will not comprehend as truthfulness. I always got the impression that such people failed English class, and rather than learning the rules, they tried to convince everyone else to make their same mistakes. It may be added as part of the publication process. Is that the proper format? I’m 31 and do the two spaces. Be sure your manuscript doesn’t contain any of these common pitfalls: These days, agents and publishers will request manuscripts to be submitted electronically. The one ‘rule’ that did drive me crazy was earlier in my career, when several women in accounting still insisted on using the lower case ‘L’ in place of the numeral ‘1’ in their spreadsheets. I completely agree with you about the two spaces and the Oxford comma. Earlier printers had advice to deal with the situations where the holes became too numerous or looked bad.” I understand that line 1 starts 1/3 to 1/2 of the way down the page. It would not create the distinction if the abbreviation is followed by a capital letter in the same sentence, would it now? Readers are too impatient, We have to grab them and keep them. Also let me say that all this talk about typographers is nonsense. With single-spaced sentences it is often difficult or impossible to tell on the first pass whether a sentence has just concluded. Keep up the good work, and don’t let the naysayers get you down. The method of treatment of photographs and illustrations varies greatly. I know this was posted a long time ago, but . How about the misuse and interchanging of then and than? (Specifically, a Joker….). I suppose the argument for proportional vs. monospace is valid when it comes to font type. Zero. Thank you for pointing out the one vs. two space enigma that has alluded me for now 30+ years. Thank you! But if she can take a little constructive criticism, you might mention it. Yes, I learned to type pre-computer but NOTHING I type even looks right unless there are two spaces there. I’ve had to learn different syntax rules depending on the programming language I used. Of course, that’s definitely more important. Period. It seems that some who learned the original rule feel pretty strongly about it, and that’s their choice. Notes about pronunciation of characters names can be included into the manuscript? In the bottom left corner, click the Format button, then select Paragraph… This opens the Paragraph dialog. That was correct for the typewriter. If you handle double spaces for aesthetic reasons, I would argue your sense of aesthetics is off but there isn’t much I can argue there. I think that I will probably continue my habit of double spacing…at least for now! “I’m almost positive that in both cases, the spacing is being held onto for the sake of tradition, and because someone with a lot of, ahem, seniority just thinks one space looks wrong.”. Do the extra spaces account for a huge loss in paper efficiency in printed media? Having the extra space between sentences does mean pause. Not cool. The software is specifically set to insert a period if you quickly do 2 spaces at the end of a word! Since I am a boomer, yet quite immature, I use two spaces. Single space is arbitrary and has nothing to do with typewriters or better aesthetics. After that, we were on our own. If anything I would have thought that this was an effect of justification. Aesthetically, it’s clear to me that people fall into two camps, and some in the two-space camp are there by choice, not by default. I’ve also seen it to show scene changes. Arguments on functionality, mostly. I’m improving. It’s about making the written word easier on the eyes. If she tends to get defensive about these things, then let it go. Here is what Harlequin specifies: Before you submit, be sure to check each agent’s/publisher’s requirements. This is because a period can be used within one. I think two spaces is more pleasing to the eye and makes for better reading. Now that I am addicted to my iPhone and iPad, I have often wondered about spacing. The primary reason to go with two spaces is because of the use of initializations and abbreviations ending with periods. Double word-spaces weren’t acceptable in garage-sale flyers or in high-end reports. “It is similar to the way that street signs are designed differently so that you know the meaning without ever reading them.” Yield signs are yellow triangles. If however you want to argue the double space has been used for centuries then you’ve simply overlooked what is really going on in classical typography. As you can see, there is no standard. etc. They tell me they are a person who bothers with those kinds of details. It creates unnecessary pauses and an increased awareness of the typography while good typography should be invisible. If a lot of your time was spent in the legal field, that may be the reason. Also, I feel you on the aging eyes thing: I have 4 separate pairs of reading glasses! I have to agree.”. Thank you. Yes, I just said that, and it wouldn’t be the first time. As an aspiring author, this is very helpful. I’m not sure why answering the phone with a common greeting like, “hello” is a problem, even with caller id. This is the site that published these words about itself: “Freelancers especially seem to have figured out how to get through Slate’s editorial defenses: Pitch a story, any story, that’s counterintuitive, and someone on the receiving end will say ‘brilliant!’” As if that were a bad thing. Actually academia and law style books don’t require two spaces. The Thai script consists of icons which are more or less the same height and width. I will admit I still think it’s easier to read copy with two spaces between sentences, but I will nonetheless try to get with the program. It is important to use two spaces in the U.S. Capitol Police Division typewriting pool, because then…, Note that you don’t know whether “U.S.” ends a sentence until you see what comes after “pool.”. (See? I think debates like this are healthy, though. You sound like a great teacher! Definitely not cool. example: Adam finished dressing, looked in the mirror. You are talking about the space between the end of one sentence and the beginning of the next. And I worship them. It would be like trying to write left-handed when I know I’m right-handed. It slows me down greatly and makes it much more difficult to comprehend the text well. Secondly, is it OK to put the author name/chapter name in the header on the left and the page formatting on the right? I have been putting the diary writings in italics, the dialogue in normal font and putting a box around the legal documents. But of course I understand that my generation has lost this battle. 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